Sunday, July 12, 2015

Our Spectacular-Political Society, And Why It Must Be Destroyed

(I will put the most important footnotes in the comments; they are numbered.)

“...everything goes on as usual, and yet there is no longer any one who believes in it. The invisible spiritual bond which gives it validity no longer exists, and so the whole age is at once comic and tragic -- tragic because it is perishing, comic because it goes on.”
-Soren Kierkegaard, Either/Or

Journalists and academics always talk about how there is nothing that links the mass murderers of our age. In other words, there is no quality that can predict who will become the next killer: not race or class, not religion or philosophy, not intensity of his fanaticism or degree of her of apathy. If there is any defining predicate, it always attains a level of obscurity that renders it meaningless; for example, “they are almost always men.” Despite this, I believe there is one unambiguous trait that does link them all: each one felt that he was completely alone. In light of the recent wave of mass shootings, which has now finally been acknowledged not as a prolonged media dramatization but as a newly emerging phenomenon, the society in which we currently find ourselves must come to terms with its own desolation.
Someone’s lying in the middle of a concrete room, howling out for a savior. Windowless echoes provide a tricky riddle: will he escape? The helpless convalescent suddenly recognizes that he must live, he understands that he must fight. But that is all -- literally, that is all. That he must live, that he must fight proves nothing but his own refusal of meaning: there is certainly a “that,” but most certainly not a clear “why.” The shut-in’s present situation has finally revealed that, for his entire life, he has wanted one thing -- but he has no idea what it is.
There is no mass enervation, no public lassitude. Every individual is continuously proven to display the most extreme fervor under the right circumstances. It is not idleness that shatters minds, but the severe lack of outlets for the energy innate within people. This is the infamous “societal malaise” which is so often referenced. In fact, the word “malaise” does not simply imply depression, which is the common understanding, but instead an unexplained anxiety. Millions of people all across the world sit in their rooms every day endeavoring to spell out why they feel the way they do. Fists clench in frustration under bedsheets each night, and dreams of endless sprinting are interrupted by the sunrise earlier than expected. Malaise feels like a confused defeat, wherein even the supposed progressivism of the modern age displays itself more or less as a disguised indifference.
For this reason, the suicides that conclude most of these tragic shootings are not meant to leave an abstruse stench, as they normally do, but on the contrary to clear up any ambiguities. Individuals are currently so isolated from one another that even when they directly see the outcomes of the most extreme forms of loneliness, they nonetheless are unable to recognize them. All of these squeaky-clean news anchors, who daily pretend to rediscover what is already known, continue on with their muddled fictions as they ensure their viewers, at all costs, that everything is alright. Everything is alright in a general sense, on a broader level, which is really only to reduce it to a purely individual problem. Hence the problematic symptoms of mass isolation are monstrously covered up with the process of individualization: “He should have been medicated”; “How did he get access to a gun?”; “It was because he was overmedicated”; “He had deep personal problems”; “I just can’t understand it, why would someone do such a thing?”; “He’s nothing more than a psycho terrorist”; “We need tighter regulations on problem individuals.” In a society that has eradicated all forms of attachment, all moments of real intensity, the average person is left in a state of complete and utter nullity.
It is a significant fact that the philosophy of existentialism surfaced with the advent of the “public” -- that massive dispositif which, absurdly enough, most effectively severs the connections between bodies. But Kierkegaard has already analyzed the “Present Age.” In a way, his philosophy was a response to the nothingness which was already emerging as early as the 19th century:
“Only when the sense of association in society is no longer strong enough to give life to concrete realities is the Press able to create that abstraction, ‘the public,’ consisting of unreal individuals who never are and never can be united in an actual situation or organization -- and yet are held together as a whole.”
This, of course, is not to fetishize violence or to praise mass shooters as warped antiheroes. These events are tragedies, no doubt. On the other hand, some of the most execrable aspects of these incidents are not considered lamentable at all. The thought of a pile of bodies drenched in blood lying across the tables of a school cafeteria is indescribably terrifying, but it is equally as appalling that we each endure like zombies, ignoring each other’s solemn hints, denying the dull pain of our current existence, refusing to explore the possibilities of a radically different form of life, or of any form of life at all. And once someone has finally decided to give up their hellish solitude in favor of an empty nothingness, we feign bewilderment and await the next catastrophe. This is the public: that mass of indifferent individuals, empty solitudes crowded together into a colorless herd. The newscasters are therefore completely correct when they say that these killers have declared war on “the public.”
Part of thesis #29 of the Society of the Spectacle might elucidate the cause and origin of the public to which Kierkegaard refers, and therefore its immediate corollary, public isolation:
“In the spectacle, a part of the world represents itself to the world and is superior to it. The spectacle is simply the common language of this separation. Spectators are linked solely by their one-way relationship to the very center that keeps them isolated from each other. The spectacle thus reunites the separated, but it reunites them only in their separateness.”
Better words could not have been chosen, but some degree of explanation is still necessary. It is helpful to imagine the wheel of a bike. If the spectacle is the very center of the wheel, then individuals in the society of the spectacle are the spokes. They are undeniably unified by the center, but are nonetheless separated from each other. In this way, the spokes are united in their separateness. This is exactly what Debord had in mind when he wrote this thesis. Now, Kierkegaard definitely believed that mass isolation was created by the peculiarities of the time he lived in, but he does not go into great depth in a genealogical sense. Nonetheless, there exists some supposedly neutral center that is required for something like the public, and therefore mass isolation, to emerge as an entity. The capitalist spectacle is therefore undeniably at least one part of this center which claims neutrality.
For clarity’s sake, it is important to note that there are a variety of phenomena that have allowed and encouraged the public to arise, but nonetheless do not attain the same power to compel that the spectacle does -- for example, early industrialization which transformed slaves and peasants into “human capital.” Human capital definitely emboldened the ascension of the public, as the economy now relied on a mass of workers and had some interest in keeping a large, unified workforce. Nonetheless, it would be dishonest to claim that something like the public, or even mass isolation, arose solely or fundamentally because of human capital theories. If some semblance of it did emerge, it was a primitive form, a prototype of sorts -- one that may have even been creeping along as early as the medieval era (1). A theory of human capital is perhaps necessary for the emergence of a public, but it is most likely not sufficient. The key difference here is that the spectacle creates a central show that draws in the attention of everyone, thereby creating a collective consciousness of sorts, or at least a consciousness of the process of unification. The advent of human capital alone is not able to create this same awareness in people:  it does not in any way push individuals to imagine themselves as part of a “public.”
Religion is another tempting candidate but still lacks certain necessary qualities to single handedly maintain a public order. The idea of a God has always served as a sort of central link for isolated individuals. However, theology has never contained enough strength to consistently unify, and, because of religion’s continual disintegration, mass isolation ironically disappears. The religious wars in Europe show how easily a religious centerpoint can collapse. Almost every religion in the world has been fractured at some point in its history. These fractures are caused by a certain intensity of the relationships between different groups of people. In other words, the schisms are successful revolts against the public isolation that derives from the attempt at religious unification. The question is, if religion so easily reaches a central position in most cultures, why is it unable to maintain that position in the same way the spectacle does? It seems that it lacks a few key elements.
Firstly,even if religion can perhaps be considered a predecessor to the modern spectacle, the spectacle’s fundamental advantage is modern teletechnology. Its ability to instantly display certain images to hundreds of millions of people is an historical anomaly peculiar to our times alone. This has enabled an efficient and instant system for the suppression of schisms, by allowing them. That is, allowing them in a recuperated form, in a diminished state that allows them to be integrated into the whole. Guy Debord discusses this aspect of the spectacle in his followup work to Spectacle in The Comments, and Giorgio Agamben furthers the conversation in his “Marginal Notes on the Comments.” Religion lacks this quality and therefore should not itself be considered fundamental to the maintenance of a public.
More importantly though, religion, and even the spectacle, lack physical force (2). This is a weakness with which any neutral center, once taken entirely on its own, must contend. Even the spectacle, which would nonetheless last much longer than religion without the use of force, would inevitable collapse without the support of a government form. Carl Schmitt, in his work Political Theology, has already shown that every modern political concept is a secularized theological doctrine. The modern state absorbed all of the powerful qualities of religion -- and then amplified them dramatically with the use of an army. Thus the other fundamental half of the origin of the public was born: the modern, secularized state.
Rome was the first and only civilization to create an ancient prototype for the modern state, far ahead of its time. Hence we find the origin of the word “public” in the Latin language. In fact, the only reason Christianity -- that monolithic tyrant of Europe -- was able to spread so far and wide was because of the Roman state’s sudden support of the theology. The collapse of a unified Europe came shortly after, though (3), so a public order never fully emerged, although this was the closest attempt in ancient times. This period of history temporarily contained weakened forms of the two necessary preconditions for the creation of a public: a neutral, ubiquitous center, and a powerful, unified state. But even though senators discussed res publica, there was no actual public. The vast majority of those living under the empire had no true center through which they were unified, and local affiliations were consistently stronger, albeit not frequently revolutionary in nature. Nonetheless, this etymology shines light on how crucial a state apparatus can be in creating a public order.
The modern state facilitates the creation of a public, and then has the ability to continuously force that entity into existence by laughably declaring itself the protector of this very fiction. Specifically, no entity, such as a technological religion (4) or the spectacle, could survive as a neutral centerpoint without the support of a modern state. If the spectacle was not supported by such an immense apparatus, as it has been for the entirety of its existence, perhaps it would collapse, or perhaps it would create a state in its name that maintains it. Either way, physical force seems necessary in order to compel individuals to have unanimous faith in such an entity. Just as medieval christianity used the power of governments to at least prolong its fractured collapse, the spectacle uses the fear imposed by modern states to prevent the destruction of its glass citadels. In particular, the blatant lack of respect for commodities is what cops most often struggle to combat: theft accounts for millions of dollars worth of corporate losses every year. Since the state is to some extent defined by its monopoly on force, and since force seems to be required for the imposition of a neutral center, the state is a fundamental condition, once combined with an entity like the spectacle, for the creation of a public.
The modern state and the spectacle are both necessary in maintaining a public order. Now, even though I have hitherto described the state as upholding the power of a neutral center (i.e. the spectacle), the reverse also frequently holds true. That is, the spectacle works to support the legitimacy of the modern state, in obvious ways. Christianity engaged similarly with the medieval states, but, as mentioned in a previous footnote, it also came into conflict with those states. This is another reason why religion was never able to maintain its power: it did not share the same foundations as its states. It is therefore problematic to even separate the spectacular-political order into “spectacle” and “state,” or to claim that one causes and supports the other, as the two work together in a mutually symbiotic way, imposing the most excruciating unification, represented best by the all-too-familiar office building full of cubicles. In the final analysis, it is this spectacular-political order, this marriage between spectacle and state, which has begotten the public and its chronic emptiness.
One genealogy of the public is now laid bare. With the progression of the modern state, and then the emergence of the spectacle, the public was born -- enforced by the state and unified in separation by the spectacle. Its history is a complicated one, but it undeniably fought against the tides of time and placed itself firmly at the core of our society. Thus is the West: that paradise of Prozac. The implications of this genealogy, then, are quite dramatic: an entirely personal battle against isolation is inseparable from the revolution against capitalism. Similarly, the fight against capitalism is indivisible from a purely social insurrection against any sort of notion of “the public” and its revolting individualization.

10 comments:

  1. (1): Interestingly, Foucault traces the origins of “governmentality,” and therefore Biopower and perhaps even a primitive form of human capital, to medieval times. Whereas Foucault radically posits that biopower and modern governmentality arose before industrial capitalism, I must take a step in the opposite direction: it was fully developed only during late capitalism.

    (2): Some might argue that the Knights Templar represented a religious military; however, this is an anomaly in terms of world history, and its existence was only allowed because of the whim of states, its collapse the direct result of the French state forcing it to dissolve.

    (3): There is a reason why the state and religion never grew together organically as the modern state and the spectacle do: they lacked a common base. Karl Marx has already shown that any state entity is preceded by and based upon an economic order of some sort. It also goes without saying that the spectacle is based solely upon capitalism, the current economic mode of production. Hence, the modern state and the spectacle have attained a common base, and therefore evolve with each other, side by side.

    (4): As described previously, teletechnology seems necessary for a central entity such as the spectacle to capture the consciousness of individuals and redirect it towards the notion of a public. This implies that a technological religion of sorts could perhaps replace the spectacle.

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  2. Very cool post. First some things I like:

    Your central problem hits me as being right. "The shut-in’s present situation has finally revealed that, for his entire life, he has wanted one thing -- but he has no idea what it is." This describes a lot of what I feel myself -- like there is a big problem with how we are doing things, and we can definitely do better, but I have no idea what doing better looks like or where to begin.

    You've also done a way better job than usual at getting me to know what you mean by things like "the spectacle" and "the public." I get what you mean by saying that the public is a mass of indifferent individuals, and the problems surrounding the protection of a general "public", when any missteps within the public are boiled down to "individual problems." Most importantly, that spokes-on-a-bicycle metaphor really helped me understand a lot of what is meant by the spectacle. I already got what it is, but that really helped me understand how the spectacle affects us, both sort of uniting us, but also keeping us isolated in our own worlds. Really well done on this front.

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    Now for some problems I have:

    Despite how illuminating that spoke example was, I wonder if thats really how the spectacle should be looked at. It's a great analogy for the problem you seem to be trying to illustrate -- that the spectacle unifies us in through a common spectacle, but keeps us separate as simply different participants or observers of this one central thing. But, does that capture the whole thing? I get how it separates us, but doesn't it also open us up to faster, broader communication like you and I are having now? And beyond that, I think there is still a lot of room for the spokes of the wheel to talk directly to each other -- for people to communicate and be together without going through the spectacle. The spectacle definitely is the center of the media, maybe of our government, and perhaps even of our society, but I don't think it's at the center of all of our interactions with each other, and I don't think its fair to compare to say that the spectacle is so controlling over all interaction. When we sit on the stoop and talk ideas, it doesn't seem like we are spokes on a bicycle at all. I think a case could be made for that analogy to hold on a society-wide level (all broader societal interaction between classes, parties, etc is done through the spectacle), and that might render what I just said as trivial and not really important, but I think more needs to be said about that first.

    I also have a general question about timeline. You say that modern technology is necessary for the spectacle, and you also say that both the modern state and the spectacle are necessary in maintaining public order. But the modern state has been around a lot longer than modern technology, as well as this idea of the public. Has the spectacle also been around a lot longer than modern technology? Or does the modern state (as you view it) begin with the industrial revolution? What's the chronology for this whole thing -- how long have we had these modern states and the notion of the public, how long has the spectacle been at the heart of our society, and do those things really line up how you want them to?

    All in all, I really liked this one, though. I'll tell josh to read it too.


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  3. Alright, so my reply to the article and footnotes (first without reading Patrick's comment):


    " Journalists and academics always talk about how there is nothing that links the mass murderers of our age.” - Isn’t mental illness the largest trend? To combat your point about “level of obscurity”, I can get more specific (either with examples of killers w/ mental illness, or the neurological underpinnings behind what may “cause” a murderer.

    “each one felt that he was completely alone” - nice, true

    "The shut-in’s present situation has finally revealed that, for his entire life, he has wanted one thing -- but he has no idea what it is.” - can’t this be seen across all types of humans, and if anything across all time that humans have been around? That we cannot satiate our desires? That we’re always looking for that “new frontier”?

    " There is no mass enervation, no public lassitude.” - no?

    "Every individual is continuously proven to display the most extreme fervor under the right circumstances.” - reaching that ‘level of obscurity’, eh?

    " It is not idleness that shatters minds, but the severe lack of outlets for the energy innate within people”- i like to think both, but i like where you’re going.

    “...but instead an unexplained anxiety.” - didn’t you say that the explanation is a “severe lack of outlets for the energy within people?


    " Millions of people all across the world sit in their rooms every day endeavoring to spell out why they feel the way they do”- and sometimes those become million dollar words…

    "Malaise feels like a confused defeat, wherein even the supposed progressivism of the modern age displays itself more or less as a disguised indifference.” - where does this ‘indifference’ manifest? in the malaise, or under the disguise of “the supposed progressivism of the modern age”? elsewhere?

    "For this reason, the suicides that conclude most of these tragic shootings are not meant to leave an abstruse stench, as they normally do, but on the contrary to clear up any ambiguities. Individuals are currently so isolated from one another that even when they directly see the outcomes of the most extreme forms of loneliness, they nonetheless are unable to recognize them” - why exactly does the suicide clear up any ambiguities? I think i get what you’re saying but i don’t want to misunderstand.

    "All of these squeaky-clean news anchors, who daily pretend to rediscover what is already known, continue on with their muddled fictions as they ensure their viewers, at all costs, that everything is alright. Everything is alright in a general sense, on a broader level, which is really only to reduce it to a purely individual problem. Hence the problematic symptoms of mass isolation are monstrously covered up with the process of individualization: “He should have been medicated”; “How did he get access to a gun?”; “It was because he was overmedicated”; “He had deep personal problems”; “I just can’t understand it, why would someone do such a thing?”; “He’s nothing more than a psycho terrorist”; “We need tighter regulations on problem individuals.” In a society that has eradicated all forms of attachment, all moments of real intensity, the average person is left in a state of complete and utter nullity.” - are you saying the government should accept blame? the news anchors should blame the government? the people should take blame? yes, what you said is an accurate description of what happens, but whats the outcome you’re looking for?

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  4. "'“Only when the sense of association in society is no longer strong enough to give life to concrete realities is the Press able to create that abstraction, ‘the public,’ consisting of unreal individuals who never are and never can be united in an actual situation or organization -- and yet are held together as a whole.”’”- idk if they are ‘unreal individuals who never are and never can be united in an actual situation or organization”—i think its just a bunch of groups or factions and a handful of those that belong to none (which in itself, might make them their own faction…).

    "This, of course, is not to fetishize violence or to praise mass shooters as warped antiheroes. “- i didn’t get this vibe


    ". Now, Kierkegaard definitely believed that mass isolation was created by the peculiarities of the time he lived in, but he does not go into great depth in a genealogical sense. “ - what about the mass isolation that was probably experienced when people were separated? Could it always have been the same, and simply our connections with people have made the ugly consequences more known? How many murder suicides or simply suicides went undocumented from the beginning of “man”until maaaaaaybe the last 600 years or so, first in small parts of the world, and now on an almost global scale? could this age old problem relate to our unceasing appetite? The spectacle could have very well emerged simply as a result of globalization and nothing more…but the general principle has always been the same: people are isolated. In modern times, the problem has become more specific, such that man feels discomfort and “malaise”because we are constantly trying to mold ourselves to the end-goal (wealth, white picket fence, cars, whatever it may be), rather than mold the end-goal to ourselves. Society (and by that I mean all of its institutions and complexes) has certainly given strength and power to the “end-goal”. But its the strength of the individual, the degree and fortitude of its character, that should determine our lives. That can be a “radically different life” and it also doesn’t have to be.


    " For clarity’s sake, it is important to note that there are a variety of phenomena that have allowed and encouraged the public to arise, but nonetheless do not attain the same power to compel that the spectacle does -- for example, early industrialization which transformed slaves and peasants into “human capital.”” — as i’ve always said, i believe it is the government/ruling class’ manipulation of the spectacle that gives it its rather ugly shade (ugly because the spectacle is a natural manifestation of the ‘progression’ of our society) and that is why the spectacle/“end-goal” i was mentioning earlier has such a powerful allure…such that we individuals cripple and fold to meet it… while others simply cannot and explode in a murderous rage… (surely there are more “types” of people to consider but for the context of this post, this should do).

    "one that may have even been creeping along as early as the medieval era (1)”- earlier.

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  5. Part 3:

    "The advent of human capital alone is not able to create this same awareness in people: it does not in any way push individuals to imagine themselves as part of a “public.”” - i might also add “the spectacle” after “human capital” - but you’re right. its the MANIPULATION of it (through propaganda, largely).

    "In other words, the schisms are successful revolts against the public isolation that derives from the attempt at religious unification.”- so what’s your position? Is this good or bad?

    "Firstly,even if religion can perhaps be considered a predecessor to the modern spectacle, the spectacle’s fundamental advantage is modern teletechnology. “- religion still perpetuates the "modern spectacle”

    “ (3)...It also goes without saying that the spectacle is based solely upon capitalism, the current economic mode of production.” —— noooooo, anything that has the ability to influence can “produce” and manipulate a spectacle, as any example in 1900-1945 Europe can exemplify.

    " or perhaps it would create a state in its name that maintains it.”- or it would just isolate itself to smaller groups and manifest accordingly.

    "Either way, physical force seems necessary in order to compel individuals to have unanimous faith in such an entity. “- you could also just threaten some sort of punishment or sanction…but i guess you need physical force to enforce that, eh?

    "The modern state and the spectacle are both necessary in maintaining a public order” - 100%

    "That is, the spectacle works to support the legitimacy of the modern state, in obvious ways.” - yuuup

    "epresented best by the all-too-familiar office building full of cubicles” - I would argue that it is represented best by government/modern state’s intrusion into society and the individual.


    "The implications of this genealogy, then, are quite dramatic: an entirely personal battle against isolation is inseparable from the revolution against capitalism” - again, i would argue that you should extend your focus beyond capitalism, and include any force that forces the individual to conform to an exterior end-goal, rather than one that comes from within [the individual].

    "Similarly, the fight against capitalism is indivisible from a purely social insurrection against any sort of notion of “the public” and its revolting individualization.” - this statement at first glance is riddled with contradictions but i think i see what you’re going for, but again, with your eyepiece trained on capitalism, it makes it hard for you to generalize with any consistency. To be sure: the fight against the power and weight of the spectacle is indivisible from a purely individual insurrection against any sort of notion of “society” and “the public” and its revolting generalization. pectacle

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  6. In response to Pat:

    Nice. Agreed. And I think I explain your second question about chronology.

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  7. I'll make a few comments just to clear up what I was trying to say, I don't expect a response necessarily.

    First of all, I agree with what Patrick said. Technology or teletechnology are themselves not bad in any way. Instead it is the particular way they are manipulated as control mechanisms (Josh referenced this). So the fact that we can communicate over this platform is extremely beneficial to us, at least in some ways. Keep in mind, some philosophers (like Heidegger and, if you can call him a philosopher, the fanatical Ted Kaczynski) are suspicious of technology itself. I don't necessarily agree, and neither does Debord; he says in various places that technology is simply used in the wrong way.

    Also, it is true that a few people talking ideas on a stoop are not necessarily watching some sort of theatrical center like the spectacle. But this does not mean that the interactions between them are not mediated by the images they have absorbed throughout their lifetimes. When a few students sit down and begin discussing, and one of them says "But she's a girl," or perhaps "Voting is a civic duty," he engages in the spectacle even without watching an image. To quote Debord, "The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images." This is the entirety of thesis number 4. Its length and positioning within the book are telling of how important this sentiment was to Debord. Of course, only consciousness of the Spectacle can avoid a situation like that. But I am guilty of this too. It's hard to escape. Either way, this is how a few kids chilling on a stoop can still be spokes on a wheel. What I say here isn't conclusive, but just a way to clarify.

    I also don't mean to say that the spokes can never talk to each other or talk free of mediation by images. It is just difficult and greatly hindered by the spectacle, to a dramatic degree.

    Also genius what you said about the spectacle mediating social groups instead of individuals themselves. I've never thought about that, we should definitely discuss in person.

    I'll get to chronological ambiguities and Josh's stuff in the next comments.

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  8. Neuroscience is really cool and everything, at the very least in that it helps us with philosophies of the mind. It is problematic when it begins to individualize. For example, when I said that it is ambiguous what these shooters have in common, it is interesting that you immediately jump to neuroscience. This is exactly what I predicted and that's why I address it immediately afterwards. In particular, this is what I call the monstrous process of individualization. Instead of noticing that this is a modern phenomenon, that this phenomenon is caused by the peculiarities of our society, we blame the individual entirely.

    It is actually interesting how far the spectacle will go to manipulate the findings of neuroscience to put them in an individualizing light. For example, most scientists understand the ambiguities of fMRI scans (many philosophical and scientific essays are written on this topic). The spectacle on the other hand takes these fMRI images and portrays it with absolute individualizing certainty: "you have a serotonin deficiency, you must be depressed;" or "you're depressed? you must have a serotonin deficiency" or, more relevant to our topic, "he must have been mentally unstable to shoot up so many people; too bad we can't retroactively analyze his brain." All I was trying to say was that these are societal problems, not problems of isolated individuals. Neuroscience is manipulated by the spectacle to paint a different picture.

    Just for some other points of clarification, their anxiety is unexplained to them and to the spectacle. I am trying to explain it though, so when I say it is caused by something, but still call it unexplained, this is what I mean. Explained by me and others, but still unexplained to most, even those suffering themselves.

    To clarify the part about indifference, you might like this Josh. This was just a side reference. But to get into it in more detail, I was thinking that our age's progressivism, which claims to be blind to race gender sexuality etc. is actually just an indifference to race gender and sexuality. So instead of creating a society where blacks and whites can live side by side in a colorblind peace, we have a society that forces us to be indifferent to each other, indifferent to others' cultures. It is not acceptance, but "tolerance," which is actually the word that is most often used. In this way, blacks, gays, women, etc. are not accepted into our society as equals, their ways of life are not supported, but instead they are assimilated into our society, forced to be kept silent about their own culture, about culture in general, and about ways of life. This is all vague, and a subtle thing anyway, but this is all I meant. Progressivism is currently a disguised indifference.

    Okay but the nexttttt comment will be about the chronology questions....

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  9. Now, to some extent the public is synonymous with the spectacular-political philosophy; or perhaps the public is only possible with both the state and the spectacle supporting/creating it. So, even if the state was around for the whole history of civilization, it was never able to create the spectacle.

    Josh, you seem to mention the idea that the spectacle could manifest in a local way, and if that is the case then it can have existed throughout human history. But this is just a problem of definition: that is, by definition the spectacle cannot be local, in the same way that me producing a television show that is only broadcast to three people cannot be considered a part of the spectacle.

    It is interesting that even though there is basically no evidence, whether in the form of writings or physical artifacts, to claim that humans have always felt malaise throughout human history, people still believe that we are naturally depressed or greedy or whatever pessimistic thing it is. I mean, from the 19th century onward, humans have produced volumes of works on isolation, books of poems on loneliness, record stores full of the most depressing albums. The ancient and medieval civilizations did not seem to exhibit behavior even remotely similar. The old tragedies definitely did not have the same vibe, nor the same message. The earliest modern writers, such as Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, went to great lengths to point out that mass isolation, etc. is a modern phenomenon. They were on the edge of our modern society, so they saw it most clearly. This is all speculation though, although there is really no evidence against what I am saying, not that that implies a final conclusion.

    Furthermore, the MODERN state must be distinguished from the ancient Roman state for example, even if this Roman state was a brilliant prototype. From the endless revolutions in Gaul, Hispania, the East, and the troubles with Germania, we now understand how truly fractured the Roman "state" was. There was no spectacle to unify people, the Gauls and the peoples of every other province did not consider themselves Roman.

    The trouble I had with this genealogy is really splitting up the state, the modern state, the spectacle, and the public. In reality, there is no way to actually split the modern state and the spectacle, which is why I use the term spectacular-political society. This society truly only emerged after the 19th century and was a direct result of industrial capitalism. Even if echoes of it appeared in the Roman prototype, or the Christian religion, it does not attain even a small fraction of the power of the modern public, the modern spectacular-political society. This is why the genealogy is muddled.

    Also just a bunch of side notes: you say the spectacle does not have to rely on capitalism but then reference 1900-1945. Capitalism was alive and well in this period, and also Debord traces the earliest days of the spectacle to the 1920s.

    Also you claim the spectacle must be manipulated to meet its goals, but I believe that it is technology that is manipulated (by the state and corporations) that creates the spectacle. Propaganda is one form of the spectacle, but not in that it is a warped version of it, which implies that the spectacle has power to be positive in some way. Mediating social relationships seems intrusive even if the outcomes can be described as beneficial in some way, although even then it would be beneficial only relative to something else.

    At this point, I feel like I'm rambling.... Idk let me know if I haven't cleared this up enough. In conclusion, I understand that there are echoes of what I describe in the past, but I don't think they are fundamentally there in their fullest sense, until the 19th century and onward.

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  10. Also you all should read Carl Schmitt. He's really interesting. I've read Political Theology and I want to start "The Concept of the Political." Prof. Green has also read his stuff! He doesn't write vaguely either, pretty analytic in general which is nice.

    Also, Josh you made me think of a quote by Giorgio Agamben. Not sure if this is what you meant when you said "it could be a radically different life, but it doesn't have to be." Actually, now looking at it again he's quoting someone who quoted someone who quoted someone. He primarily is quoting Walter Benjamin:

    "The Hassidim tell a story about the world to come that says everything there will be just as it is here. Just as our room is now, so it will be in the world to come; where our baby sleeps now, there too it will sleep in the other world. And the clothes we wear in this world, those too we will wear there. Everything will be as it is now, just a little different."

    I always thought this quote was really charming. If we had a revolution, even if every aspect of this oppressive society is subverted, I think this would be a pretty accurate description.

    Ohhhh and also you ask who is to blame. I have an essay that I will post soon (I actually found it and forgot I wrote it and expanded on it). It talks a small bit about how our society is now run by a near-fully autonomous system that is not controlled by any individual or even group of individuals necessarily (eg what person controls the spectacle?). It's not the main point of the essay, but you'll see it soon I guess.

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